Can’t Prove a Negative? Think Again.

•  I am a spiritual person in that I think we are all connected with the Universe, and that Nature is worth working together for. But I do not believe the Universe has any influence on good or bad. This said, on the point above, I can only be agnostic. It’s in the realm of gut feeling… nothing more.
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HOWEVER, to the eternal old argument that us atheists cannot PROVE there is no god — my answer depends on what we mean by “God”:

1) If you are talking about an intelligent god-like intelligent force out there — true, I cannot prove the negative.

2) If you are talking about any man-made folkloric “gods” of our different cultures, like the Christian God, then yes! — I CAN prove beyond any reasonable doubt that He does NOT exist!

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There are 3 ways to dismiss this god alleged to be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent:

A) His character has all the flaws of man: Jealousy, vengeance, elitist, sectarian, prone to ethnic-cleansing/genocide, has regrets, an inflated ego and need for adulation, unforgiving unless blood is shed, and more… NOTHING of an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God.

B) The book God is credited to have inspired; the Bible ONLY represents the knowledge and ignorance of the time:
Earth is the center of the solar system; God creates vegetation before the sun; flat earth (no hint of it being spherical); Epilepsy is thought demon possession; Killing two birds and smearing the blood on the walls of a house will cure leprosy; man is only 6,000 years old and ruined all life because of listening to a talking snake. No mention of Natural Selection (not even so-called microevolution), electricity… and more!
It is supposed to be a prophetic book, yet makes no hints on the age of technology, nor the uniting of the whole world thru the internet. Not ONE hint!

C) Given that the only reason the concept of God exists in our collective minds is because it originates from scriptures like the Bible, a self-crediting and flawed collection of books — there is no logic nor evidence to claim the main character as real.

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There you go. All we have left are rationalizations.
GOD (as we typically understand it) DOES NOT EXIST.

Not only is there no evidence for him — there is evidence AGAINST him.

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

Peace!

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7 thoughts on “Can’t Prove a Negative? Think Again.

  1. “His character has all the flaws of man”

    You are forgetting provenance, Vince. Assuming the Abrahamic God to be real, it would be we who would have His traits. “Made in the image of” and all that.

    But I fail to see what his personality has to do with whether he exists, or not.

    “NOTHING of an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God”

    Nothing you mentioned rules out any of those. Even benevolence only means “well wishing”. A desire for you to make good choices.

    “Bible ONLY represents the knowledge and ignorance of the time”

    Nothing about the Bible implies that it is a repository of all that can and will be known on all subjects. It’s a text of its time. If you want to argue why the Bible is flawed, have at it. You can rip it to shreds.

    You chose the wrong target. You were right. You can’t prove a negative.

    “Given that the only reason the concept of God exists in our collective minds is because it originates from scriptures like the Bible”

    Just that one iteration. All that does is prove that, if God exists, we probably don’t know his exact name, full intentions, expectations, or purpose. This shouldn’t be surprising.

    Given all that, I don’t believe in an egoic being who made us, rules us, and etc.. Especially with a beard and from on high.

    And I’m agnostic.

    But your argument was not strong.

    James

    • I will answer to your comments my friend.
      I’m just at this time very busy with the funeral of a cherished friend.
      But I do have some things to say about your perspective. ;)

    • As promised, here is my rebuttal to your critique, James.

      “His character has all the flaws of man”
      — You are forgetting provenance, Vince. Assuming the Abrahamic God to be real, it would be we who would have His traits. “Made in the image of” and all that.

      There is ample evidence that the provenance of the Biblical God is human, not divine. The Biblical God has human traits, as I have explained in my article. Turning it around is an intellectual exercise but has no valid point here.

      — But I fail to see what his personality has to do with whether he exists, or not.

      It has everything to do with those who claim their god is perfect!
      The very scriptures attributed to his own words are a flagrant example of his imperfect and human-like flawed character. I do not understand how this is not a strong argument against the god of the Bible!

      “NOTHING of an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God”
      — Nothing you mentioned rules out any of those. Even benevolence only means “well wishing”. A desire for you to make good choices.

      Ask any christian my friend — you are underestimating the weight these words mean to them. Again, you seem to play with words to argue against clear meaning. The Bible is clear on its god’s perfect and superhuman powers.

      “Bible ONLY represents the knowledge and ignorance of the time”
      — Nothing about the Bible implies that it is a repository of all that can and will be known on all subjects. It’s a text of its time. If you want to argue why the Bible is flawed, have at it. You can rip it to shreds.

      We agree. But this flies in the face of Paul’s words that the scriptures are inspired by God himself — who would have known perfectly about scientific facts.

      — You chose the wrong target. You were right. You can’t prove a negative.

      Not sure my rather strong argument is understood here. I state that there IS proof of this negative: the god of the Bible does not exist — as per evidence presented in the only book that has presented him to humanity.

      “Given that the only reason the concept of God exists in our collective minds is because it originates from scriptures like the Bible”
      — Just that one iteration. All that does is prove that, if God exists, we probably don’t know his exact name, full intentions, expectations, or purpose. This shouldn’t be surprising.

      You realize, I hope, that you are throwing me a red herring! My article concentrates on the Biblical God, that presents his name (even if disputed), and his full intentions as to his “creation” — humankind.
      My point is clear…

      — Given all that, I don’t believe in an egoic being who made us, rules us, and etc.. Especially with a beard and from on high.
      And I’m agnostic.
      But your argument was not strong.

      You are playing the advocate of the devil (hehe) and I respect that. Fact is, we are ALL agnostics. If anyone was really in the know, it would make headlines. I am both agnostic and atheist, as my article explains.
      But my argument is stronger than you claim, and your analysis of my words fall flat in my opinion. But it is always fun to debate.

  2. “If you are talking about any man-made folkloric ‘gods’ of our different cultures, like the Christian God, then yes! — I CAN prove beyond any reasonable doubt that He does NOT exist!”

    Agreed. Thank you. Many times when the subject of disproving God comes up, theists, namely Christians, conveniently forget about the fact that the “God” they worship and defend possesses specific character attributes, unlike an unknowable, generic “God” of some sort. Well, if those character attributes are mutually incompatible..e.g…”omniscient” and “omnipotent”, then, yes, we can say that this “God” has in fact been disproved to exist.

  3. True — atheism only exists because at one point in time, some have created these god characters to either fill in for their ignorance, or to exercise power over the masses thru fear.

    I wouldn’t have to be an atheist if these beliefs from ignorance were not still prominent and influential today.

    Not so long ago we were fighting slavery. Why? Because some greedy humans invented this horror. There would not have been an anti-slavery movement had it not been invented.

    That is the level we atheist are still fighting against.
    Plain man-made hooey!!!

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